[ddo] this week
Leigh Murphy
murphy.leigh at gmail.com
Tue May 16 11:20:15 IST 2006
Now why didn't we spend 5 minutes on TS saying this last night?
8-))
As they say in danish Hindsight is always 20/20
Bren, hope you buy, can't make it tonight the inlaws are over.
Leigh
On 5/16/06, Diarmuid Reidy <diar at www.dspsrv.com> wrote:
>
> Definitely a couple things were against us last night, outdoors
> enviroment of which we had zero exposure to already, wandering patrols
> and not having a plan for taking a camp. If its dungeons/tunnels then
> we're usually better off, I can hold aggro better (they're more likely
> to be in range of intimidate...)As for last night, it was a mix of
> tanking the main target/ mob of opportunity in particular the clerics...
> And for the times I died, I don't think there was anything that Conor
> could have done, the last camp when I charged in it was pretty much
> first round I got hit with one crit for 20+ and about 3 scorching rays,
> took me from full to dead like that...most of the deaths are that, ac is
> good enough now that unluckily 20's/crits are the most likely to hit,
> that and spells.
> So I'm of the opinion that charging in to a camp is a good way for me to
> get deaded, draws lots of aggro but especially when there's no save
> versus scorching ray(spell of the week) I get toastied very quickly
> One thing that I think we need to do is plan out an attack on any group
> of mobs (4 or more). And definitely as Adrian Harte would say, 'away
> games'.
> Joe you should be able to make their life miserable on the way to us with
> a layer of web, hypnotic pattern, glitterdust. Mike should be filling
> them full of holes, same for Leigh on the way in, Conor can hold person
> anyone particularly nasty and I'll either hold the line against any
> that make it or move on up to get to the back line.
> Depending on how long your spells last Joe, we could prep this around a
> corner in a dungeon and have someone lead them back through it...
> But overall ddo is much more lethal than wow so we need to hold off our
> leet instance running skills and start thinking old school... We've all
> done the plan to take down x, y or z so it just needs to be adapted...
> My 0.02$, please feel free to critique/add/subtract
>
>
> On 16/5/2006, "Joe Vaughan" <joev at jarhedz.com> wrote:
>
> >Three words...
> >
> >Diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy.... DDO is not Wow. There is no such
> >idea as "build up aggro and the mob sticks to the tank". The mobs have
> >the option to switch target whenever they feel that target X is more of
> >a danger than target Y. They get this check every combat round, not just
> >every once and a long while like WoW. Tanking in DDO is not just down to
> >the tank... it's a shared task with the rest of the party. The tank
> >intimidates and the rest of the party use diplomacy to drop their aggro
> >(if they can)
> >
> >We're also not, strategically speaking, focusing on the right things.
> >Diarm is tanking the main target sometimes (and I may be wrong Diarm, so
> >please do correct me if I am) to the exclusion of other targets. Really
> >what we need Diarm to do is tag and hold as many of the Melee targets as
> >he can (and begin dispatching them as quickly as he can) while Mike and
> >I mill into the most dangerous targets (i.e. casters etc) on a one by
> >one basis to drop them as fast as we possibly can to eliminate their
> >potential threat. In this situation there really shouldn't be many tags
> >on Conor (aside from the casters possibly hitting him.. which Mike
> >should sort by tagging them and I'll boomstick them). Leigh's main focus
> >should be on tagging anything that tags Conor and keeping it busy just
> >long enough for myself and Mike to switch focus onto it and dispatch it
> >with him. This is my humble opinion only.. feel free to disagree and
> >suggest other strategies. The big thing about DDO is we're not as
> >"pidgeon-holed" by our class as in other games... theoretically, with
> >the right armour and feats etc, I could be the tank with Diarm being the
> >big DPS warrior :) - Maybe I should buy myself some +2 full plate and a
> >big ass tower shield! I could spend the next couple of levels getting
> >the relevant feats :)
> >
> >Last night wasn't all that bad really I thought. You have to consider
> >some "unusual" things about that instance. It's an outdoor environment
> >so you have very little ability to control the pathing of the mobs and
> >bunch them up. Example was the glitterdust... it's a great spell for CC
> >as it paints the invisibles and blinds all mobs... but in that
> >environment, where the mobs were spreading in all directions, it was
> >proving a bigger hindrance to us than them (which is why I stopped using
> >it) because the "target" mob was dragging it out of their group into
> >ours. In a real "dungeon", I can drop it in front of them and then they
> >have no choice but to move through it to get to us (and become blind and
> >visible). Couple that with the number of invisible patrols going around
> >I think we did alright (not great, but alright) and I have to say,
> >chaotic or not... I had a good time (except for the time my stupid
> >f**king scorpion got me killed which irked me tbh. No way should the
> >summoned monster appear 1/2 way between us and the mobs.. I would always
> >have it spawn beside the caster)
> >
> >Another thing we haven't really sorted out is pulling. I don't know
> >about you guys, but I haven't a clue how is the best way to pull in DDO.
> >Do we rush the tank in amongst them? Do we tag them with spells from
> >just inside spell range? Do we tag them with arrows from a long way away
> >etc etc etc... these are things we should probably work out one evening
> >for about 15 mins in some baby dungeons.
> >
> >I think Leigh is right, focus your healing on the tank and let the rest
> >of us look after ourselves... if we need you, we shout... otherwise it's
> >our own fault if we get creamed (providing we're all doing our jobs in
> >combat ok).
> >
> >Overall, we haven't really sorted out a general combat strategy... and
> >we probably should. Yes, it's boring to sit talking about mechanics for
> >15 minutes when you could be exploring a cool dungeon but as the
> >dungeons get harder we're going to need to gel better and better as a
> >unit in all ways (spell strategies, sneaking, trap avoiding and combat)
> >to get to the really meaty stuff. At the moment I think we're still
> >finding our feet. Keep in mind, we really haven't played this game
> >much... about, what? 20 maybe 25 hours? We've still a lot to learn (all
> >of us) and we all have to allow that one or other of us will Leroy us
> >every once and a while. The thing to learn to do is not to let it get to
> >us too much... Hey.. that's part of the fun isn't it? :)
> >
> >I couldn't care an arse about XP or gold or whatever... I enjoy the
> >challenge of the quests and the company of friends... the XP and gold is
> >a bonus. I'm sorry you lost out last Conor, but it's going to happen to
> >each of us at some stage where we end up worse off at the end of the
> >night than we started. (I know there have been some nights I've had
> >practically 0 net gain). You just have to be philosophical about it and
> >laugh it off... now if it goes that way every night, then that's a
> >different story :)
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Leigh Murphy wrote:
> >> The combats last night were all in all, unfocussed. It really hurts to
> >> die now. As for pots, I start with 15 CLW every evening but I say we
> >> need to up that to 30 each. I don't think we should start pooling
> >> cash. Personally I feel the cost difference between CLW and CMW is
> >> ridiculous and cannot be justified. What I mean is I use only CLW for
> >> now as I can tumble, quaff, tumble, quaff, which is the same as quaff
> >> 1 CMW at way less price.
> >> I am still figuring out the role of the rogue in combat. My armour is
> >> terrible and if I'm in melee range 2 hits kills me, as you all saw
> >> last night. Backstab is now 1d6 + 3 d6 with 18-20 being a crit
> >> (rapier). I get the same bonuses with my throwing daggers 1d4 + 3 d6
> >> if I'm within 30 yards. I may try that for a while.
> >> Conor, it's hard to judge when to call, I found last night. Being hit
> >> twice for 20 points in a row reduces me to 9 hp in no time, screaming
> >> at you then, and getting a potentially bad roll on the CLW won't stop
> >> the death if another comes your way. The mobs hit hard now and being
> >> pecked away at from 49 to 33 then boom to 10 can't be prevented.
> >> Suggestions: Keep the tank up, let us on pots unless D is doing fine,
> >> then throw emergency heals our way? All non combat healing is to be by
> >> pot/wand ONLY, we need your mana for when we can't quaff quick enough.
> >> As for you being whopped, I can only suggest more communication before
> >> fight, Intimidate and Diplomacy are like aggro management and fade in
> >> WoW a bit.
> >> If you can't see who's where use the V key in battle to see who is in
> >> LOS. I use both defensive stance and uncanny dodge.
> >> I loved the Irestone Inlet with all that sneaking, how fun was that?!!
> >> All in all a good night.
> >> Bren's bard is what level? Have you all alts to get him up to speed?
> >> Will you just swap over to mains when he hits 4?
> >>
> >> Leigh
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/16/06, *Cliffy* <cliffy at iol.ie <mailto:cliffy at iol.ie>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry for being grumpy with the healing tonight lads - but its a
> >> boring and painful job and I find it really annoying if someone
> >> goes down, whether it was them being a newb or me.
> >> Tonight thankfully it was ye being the newbs :)
> >>
> >> Healing 101 - If I am being milled into I will not know to heal
> >> you unless I hear your name. Generally as the person who is
> >> keeping everyone up ye should be trying to get stuff of me - 'cos
> >> even if they are not doing major damage the spell interuptions
> >> could kill us.
> >>
> >> Hearing it when you are nearly dead is too late. Both heals (CLW &
> >> CMW) have a cooldown and chances are I have just healed someone
> >> else a second a go - if you leave it till the last second. When
> >> you hit 50% you should be shouting.
> >>
> >> LINE OF SIGHT - if you are out of it then you will not be healed.
> >> If you go out of it have a pot at the ready. I probably won't even
> >> realise you are not getting healed till too late, cos basically if
> >> there are 2-3 of ye in need of healing (and thats generally the
> >> way it is) I have time to select one, cast heal, select the next
> >> one, cast heal etc etc I barely have time to see if a heal
> >> actually went off.
> >>
> >> Cash for healing stuff. I know its party needed stuff etc etc, but
> >> at this stage we are all saving up for stuff from the brokers. I
> >> propose we keep it equal until otherwise is needed.
> >> Tonight I said 30 and someone gave me 50 and I ended up spending
> >> somewhere between 80-100 plat of my own - don't really care but
> >> between the dying loads and the cost of healing for everyone else
> >> I gained no xp and was down about 50 plat from a nights hard work
> >> :) so like I said I think from now on the start of the night the
> >> person with the best haggle skill gets 50 plat per player and goes
> >> and buys all the required healing stuff, once we have the party
> >> healing bought we can decide the best way to split it up ie I will
> >> end up getting wand cos its a 100% chance of success, but I only
> >> need 1 pot. Diarm and Mike probably need the most pots.
> >>
> >> Is anyone using block or defensive fighting style??? I'm only
> >> asking cos when I am on full mana ye seem to act bonkers and suck
> >> up my mana - when I'm low ye all seem to become better players and
> >> my last 30 SP seem to go a lot further than the 250SP before them??
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* Mike Kelly <mailto:mike.j.kelly at gmail.com>
> >> *To:* ddo at dspsrv.com <mailto:ddo at dspsrv.com>
> >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2006 7:41 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [ddo] this week
> >>
> >>
> >> BTW just a reminder to you all,there's a new patch, fairly quick
> >> to download.
> >>
> >> On 15/05/06, *Mike Kelly* <*MailScanner has detected a possible
> >> fraud attempt from "mike.j.kelly at gmail.com+" claiming to be*
> >> mike.j.kelly at gmail.com <mailto:mike.j.kelly at gmail.com+>> wrote:
> >> Rather! I say, that sounds supah!
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15/05/06, *Leigh Murphy* <*MailScanner has detected a possible
> >> fraud attempt from "murphy.leigh at gmail.com+" claiming to be*
> >> murphy.leigh at gmail.com <mailto:murphy.leigh at gmail.com+>> wrote:
> >> k.
> >> Joe is on in 2 hours.
> >> Shall we say 8 pm IGT Irish Git Time for a meet?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/15/06, *Mike Kelly* < mike.j.kelly at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:mike.j.kelly at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> He wasn't introduced. I reckon he's afraid. Or he's a figment of
> >> Joes imagination. Or both, most likely.
> >>
> >> I have no contact info for him, I dunno if he's on the mailing
> >> list yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15/05/06, *Leigh Murphy* < murphy.leigh at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:murphy.leigh at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Joe is in the Airport in Stanstead but has said he probably will.
> >> Anyone got Bren? Or is he playing? Was he introduced and did he
> >> like it?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/15/06, *Conor Clifford* < Conor.Clifford at fineos.com
> >> <mailto:Conor.Clifford at fineos.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have tag rugby tonight - will be home around 8.30 - 9ish
> >>
> >> If Leigh can indeed play late then cool!!
> >>
> >> Tomorrow / Weds are ok for me too
> >>
> >> Thursday and Friday are out
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> *From:* ddo-bounces at dspsrv.com
> >> <mailto:ddo-bounces at dspsrv.com>[mailto:ddo-bounces at dspsrv.com
> >> <mailto:ddo-bounces at dspsrv.com>]*On Behalf Of *Mike Kelly
> >> *Sent:* 15 May 2006 16:30
> >> *To:* ddo at dspsrv.com <mailto:ddo at dspsrv.com>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [ddo] this week
> >>
> >> Can someone with their number text Conor and el chupacabra
> >> (Joev) for availability? (There's absolutely no rush, I just
> >> wanted to refer to Joev as el chupacabra, it seemed
> >> appropriate. :) )
> >>
> >> On 15/05/06, *Diarmuid Reidy* < diar at www.dspsrv.com
> >> <mailto:diar at www.dspsrv.com>> wrote:
> >> tonight is good for me also...
> >> now if the rest of the motley crew can indicate availability
> >> we're
> >> sorted.
> >>
> >> On 15/5/2006, "Mike Kelly" < mike.j.kelly at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:mike.j.kelly at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yay! Leigh!
> >> >
> >> >I can do tonight, wed and thurs, I'd prefer tonight (I needz
> >> my fix!!!1!) :)
> >> >
> >> >On 15/05/06, Leigh Murphy < murphy.leigh at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:murphy.leigh at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi guys, I can't make tomorrow but I can do tonight or any
> >> other night.
> >> >> And I'm off so, no probs playing late.
> >> >>
> >> >> Leigh
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >>
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> >> >> Newmarket-on-Fergus,
> >> >> Co. Clare Ireland.
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> >> Leigh Murphy,
> >> H�jmarken 13, Gevninge,
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> >> 4000 Roskilde,
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> >> Leigh Murphy,
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> >> Danmark.
> >> (H) + 45 46 36 02 20 (M) + 45 50 59 80 25
> >>
> >> 4 Main st.,
> >> Newmarket-on-Fergus,
> >> Co. Clare Ireland
> >> (H) + 353 61 368316
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> >> Leigh Murphy,
> >> Højmarken 13, Gevninge,
> >> 4000 Roskilde,
> >> Danmark.
> >> (H) + 45 46 36 02 20 (M) + 45 50 59 80 25
> >>
> >> 4 Main st.,
> >> Newmarket-on-Fergus,
> >> Co. Clare Ireland.
> >> (H) + 353 61 368316
> >>
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