<div>Now why didn't we spend 5 minutes on TS saying this last night?</div>
<div>8-))</div>
<div>As they say in danish Hindsight is always 20/20</div>
<div>Bren, hope you buy, can't make it tonight the inlaws are over.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Leigh<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/16/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Diarmuid Reidy</b> <<a href="mailto:diar@www.dspsrv.com">diar@www.dspsrv.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Definitely a couple things were against us last night, outdoors<br>enviroment of which we had zero exposure to already, wandering patrols
<br>and not having a plan for taking a camp. If its dungeons/tunnels then<br>we're usually better off, I can hold aggro better (they're more likely<br>to be in range of intimidate...)As for last night, it was a mix of<br>
tanking the main target/ mob of opportunity in particular the clerics...<br>And for the times I died, I don't think there was anything that Conor<br>could have done, the last camp when I charged in it was pretty much<br>first round I got hit with one crit for 20+ and about 3 scorching rays,
<br>took me from full to dead like that...most of the deaths are that, ac is<br>good enough now that unluckily 20's/crits are the most likely to hit,<br>that and spells.<br>So I'm of the opinion that charging in to a camp is a good way for me to
<br>get deaded, draws lots of aggro but especially when there's no save<br>versus scorching ray(spell of the week) I get toastied very quickly<br>One thing that I think we need to do is plan out an attack on any group<br>
of mobs (4 or more). And definitely as Adrian Harte would say, 'away<br>games'.<br>Joe you should be able to make their life miserable on the way to us with<br>a layer of web, hypnotic pattern, glitterdust. Mike should be filling
<br>them full of holes, same for Leigh on the way in, Conor can hold person<br>anyone particularly nasty and I'll either hold the line against any<br>that make it or move on up to get to the back line.<br>Depending on how long your spells last Joe, we could prep this around a
<br>corner in a dungeon and have someone lead them back through it...<br>But overall ddo is much more lethal than wow so we need to hold off our<br>leet instance running skills and start thinking old school... We've all<br>
done the plan to take down x, y or z so it just needs to be adapted...<br>My 0.02$, please feel free to critique/add/subtract<br><br><br>On 16/5/2006, "Joe Vaughan" <<a href="mailto:joev@jarhedz.com">joev@jarhedz.com
</a>> wrote:<br><br>>Three words...<br>><br>>Diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy.... DDO is not Wow. There is no such<br>>idea as "build up aggro and the mob sticks to the tank". The mobs have<br>>the option to switch target whenever they feel that target X is more of
<br>>a danger than target Y. They get this check every combat round, not just<br>>every once and a long while like WoW. Tanking in DDO is not just down to<br>>the tank... it's a shared task with the rest of the party. The tank
<br>>intimidates and the rest of the party use diplomacy to drop their aggro<br>>(if they can)<br>><br>>We're also not, strategically speaking, focusing on the right things.<br>>Diarm is tanking the main target sometimes (and I may be wrong Diarm, so
<br>>please do correct me if I am) to the exclusion of other targets. Really<br>>what we need Diarm to do is tag and hold as many of the Melee targets as<br>>he can (and begin dispatching them as quickly as he can) while Mike and
<br>>I mill into the most dangerous targets (i.e. casters etc) on a one by<br>>one basis to drop them as fast as we possibly can to eliminate their<br>>potential threat. In this situation there really shouldn't be many tags
<br>>on Conor (aside from the casters possibly hitting him.. which Mike<br>>should sort by tagging them and I'll boomstick them). Leigh's main focus<br>>should be on tagging anything that tags Conor and keeping it busy just
<br>>long enough for myself and Mike to switch focus onto it and dispatch it<br>>with him. This is my humble opinion only.. feel free to disagree and<br>>suggest other strategies. The big thing about DDO is we're not as
<br>>"pidgeon-holed" by our class as in other games... theoretically, with<br>>the right armour and feats etc, I could be the tank with Diarm being the<br>>big DPS warrior :) - Maybe I should buy myself some +2 full plate and a
<br>>big ass tower shield! I could spend the next couple of levels getting<br>>the relevant feats :)<br>><br>>Last night wasn't all that bad really I thought. You have to consider<br>>some "unusual" things about that instance. It's an outdoor environment
<br>>so you have very little ability to control the pathing of the mobs and<br>>bunch them up. Example was the glitterdust... it's a great spell for CC<br>>as it paints the invisibles and blinds all mobs... but in that
<br>>environment, where the mobs were spreading in all directions, it was<br>>proving a bigger hindrance to us than them (which is why I stopped using<br>>it) because the "target" mob was dragging it out of their group into
<br>>ours. In a real "dungeon", I can drop it in front of them and then they<br>>have no choice but to move through it to get to us (and become blind and<br>>visible). Couple that with the number of invisible patrols going around
<br>>I think we did alright (not great, but alright) and I have to say,<br>>chaotic or not... I had a good time (except for the time my stupid<br>>f**king scorpion got me killed which irked me tbh. No way should the
<br>>summoned monster appear 1/2 way between us and the mobs.. I would always<br>>have it spawn beside the caster)<br>><br>>Another thing we haven't really sorted out is pulling. I don't know<br>>about you guys, but I haven't a clue how is the best way to pull in DDO.
<br>>Do we rush the tank in amongst them? Do we tag them with spells from<br>>just inside spell range? Do we tag them with arrows from a long way away<br>>etc etc etc... these are things we should probably work out one evening
<br>>for about 15 mins in some baby dungeons.<br>><br>>I think Leigh is right, focus your healing on the tank and let the rest<br>>of us look after ourselves... if we need you, we shout... otherwise it's<br>>our own fault if we get creamed (providing we're all doing our jobs in
<br>>combat ok).<br>><br>>Overall, we haven't really sorted out a general combat strategy... and<br>>we probably should. Yes, it's boring to sit talking about mechanics for<br>>15 minutes when you could be exploring a cool dungeon but as the
<br>>dungeons get harder we're going to need to gel better and better as a<br>>unit in all ways (spell strategies, sneaking, trap avoiding and combat)<br>>to get to the really meaty stuff. At the moment I think we're still
<br>>finding our feet. Keep in mind, we really haven't played this game<br>>much... about, what? 20 maybe 25 hours? We've still a lot to learn (all<br>>of us) and we all have to allow that one or other of us will Leroy us
<br>>every once and a while. The thing to learn to do is not to let it get to<br>>us too much... Hey.. that's part of the fun isn't it? :)<br>><br>>I couldn't care an arse about XP or gold or whatever... I enjoy the
<br>>challenge of the quests and the company of friends... the XP and gold is<br>>a bonus. I'm sorry you lost out last Conor, but it's going to happen to<br>>each of us at some stage where we end up worse off at the end of the
<br>>night than we started. (I know there have been some nights I've had<br>>practically 0 net gain). You just have to be philosophical about it and<br>>laugh it off... now if it goes that way every night, then that's a
<br>>different story :)<br>><br>>Joe<br>><br>>Leigh Murphy wrote:<br>>> The combats last night were all in all, unfocussed. It really hurts to<br>>> die now. As for pots, I start with 15 CLW every evening but I say we
<br>>> need to up that to 30 each. I don't think we should start pooling<br>>> cash. Personally I feel the cost difference between CLW and CMW is<br>>> ridiculous and cannot be justified. What I mean is I use only CLW for
<br>>> now as I can tumble, quaff, tumble, quaff, which is the same as quaff<br>>> 1 CMW at way less price.<br>>> I am still figuring out the role of the rogue in combat. My armour is<br>>> terrible and if I'm in melee range 2 hits kills me, as you all saw
<br>>> last night. Backstab is now 1d6 + 3 d6 with 18-20 being a crit<br>>> (rapier). I get the same bonuses with my throwing daggers 1d4 + 3 d6<br>>> if I'm within 30 yards. I may try that for a while.<br>
>> Conor, it's hard to judge when to call, I found last night. Being hit<br>>> twice for 20 points in a row reduces me to 9 hp in no time, screaming<br>>> at you then, and getting a potentially bad roll on the CLW won't stop
<br>>> the death if another comes your way. The mobs hit hard now and being<br>>> pecked away at from 49 to 33 then boom to 10 can't be prevented.<br>>> Suggestions: Keep the tank up, let us on pots unless D is doing fine,
<br>>> then throw emergency heals our way? All non combat healing is to be by<br>>> pot/wand ONLY, we need your mana for when we can't quaff quick enough.<br>>> As for you being whopped, I can only suggest more communication before
<br>>> fight, Intimidate and Diplomacy are like aggro management and fade in<br>>> WoW a bit.<br>>> If you can't see who's where use the V key in battle to see who is in<br>>> LOS. I use both defensive stance and uncanny dodge.
<br>>> I loved the Irestone Inlet with all that sneaking, how fun was that?!!<br>>> All in all a good night.<br>>> Bren's bard is what level? Have you all alts to get him up to speed?<br>>> Will you just swap over to mains when he hits 4?
<br>>><br>>> Leigh<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 5/16/06, *Cliffy* <<a href="mailto:cliffy@iol.ie">cliffy@iol.ie</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cliffy@iol.ie">cliffy@iol.ie</a>>> wrote:<br>>>
<br>>> Sorry for being grumpy with the healing tonight lads - but its a<br>>> boring and painful job and I find it really annoying if someone<br>>> goes down, whether it was them being a newb or me.
<br>>> Tonight thankfully it was ye being the newbs :)<br>>><br>>> Healing 101 - If I am being milled into I will not know to heal<br>>> you unless I hear your name. Generally as the person who is
<br>>> keeping everyone up ye should be trying to get stuff of me - 'cos<br>>> even if they are not doing major damage the spell interuptions<br>>> could kill us.<br>>><br>>> Hearing it when you are nearly dead is too late. Both heals (CLW &
<br>>> CMW) have a cooldown and chances are I have just healed someone<br>>> else a second a go - if you leave it till the last second. When<br>>> you hit 50% you should be shouting.<br>>>
<br>>> LINE OF SIGHT - if you are out of it then you will not be healed.<br>>> If you go out of it have a pot at the ready. I probably won't even<br>>> realise you are not getting healed till too late, cos basically if
<br>>> there are 2-3 of ye in need of healing (and thats generally the<br>>> way it is) I have time to select one, cast heal, select the next<br>>> one, cast heal etc etc I barely have time to see if a heal
<br>>> actually went off.<br>>><br>>> Cash for healing stuff. I know its party needed stuff etc etc, but<br>>> at this stage we are all saving up for stuff from the brokers. I<br>>> propose we keep it equal until otherwise is needed.
<br>>> Tonight I said 30 and someone gave me 50 and I ended up spending<br>>> somewhere between 80-100 plat of my own - don't really care but<br>>> between the dying loads and the cost of healing for everyone else
<br>>> I gained no xp and was down about 50 plat from a nights hard work<br>>> :) so like I said I think from now on the start of the night the<br>>> person with the best haggle skill gets 50 plat per player and goes
<br>>> and buys all the required healing stuff, once we have the party<br>>> healing bought we can decide the best way to split it up ie I will<br>>> end up getting wand cos its a 100% chance of success, but I only
<br>>> need 1 pot. Diarm and Mike probably need the most pots.<br>>><br>>> Is anyone using block or defensive fighting style??? I'm only<br>>> asking cos when I am on full mana ye seem to act bonkers and suck
<br>>> up my mana - when I'm low ye all seem to become better players and<br>>> my last 30 SP seem to go a lot further than the 250SP before them??<br>>><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message -----
<br>>> *From:* Mike Kelly <mailto:<a href="mailto:mike.j.kelly@gmail.com">mike.j.kelly@gmail.com</a>><br>>> *To:* <a href="mailto:ddo@dspsrv.com">ddo@dspsrv.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ddo@dspsrv.com">
ddo@dspsrv.com</a>><br>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2006 7:41 PM<br>>> *Subject:* Re: [ddo] this week<br>>><br>>><br>>> BTW just a reminder to you all,there's a new patch, fairly quick
<br>>> to download.<br>>><br>>> On 15/05/06, *Mike Kelly* <*MailScanner has detected a possible<br>>> fraud attempt from "mike.j.kelly@gmail.com+" claiming to be*<br>>>
<a href="mailto:mike.j.kelly@gmail.com">mike.j.kelly@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mike.j.kelly@gmail.com">mike.j.kelly@gmail.com</a>+>> wrote:<br>>> Rather! I say, that sounds supah!<br>>>
<br>>><br>>> On 15/05/06, *Leigh Murphy* <*MailScanner has detected a possible<br>>> fraud attempt from "murphy.leigh@gmail.com+" claiming to be*<br>>> <a href="mailto:murphy.leigh@gmail.com">
murphy.leigh@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:murphy.leigh@gmail.com">murphy.leigh@gmail.com</a>+>> wrote:<br>>> k.<br>>> Joe is on in 2 hours.<br>>> Shall we say 8 pm IGT Irish Git Time for a meet?
<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 5/15/06, *Mike Kelly* < <a href="mailto:mike.j.kelly@gmail.com">mike.j.kelly@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mike.j.kelly@gmail.com">mike.j.kelly@gmail.com
</a>>> wrote:<br>>> He wasn't introduced. I reckon he's afraid. Or he's a figment of<br>>> Joes imagination. Or both, most likely.<br>>><br>>> I have no contact info for him, I dunno if he's on the mailing
<br>>> list yet.<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 15/05/06, *Leigh Murphy* < <a href="mailto:murphy.leigh@gmail.com">murphy.leigh@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:murphy.leigh@gmail.com">
murphy.leigh@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>> Joe is in the Airport in Stanstead but has said he probably will.<br>>> Anyone got Bren? Or is he playing? Was he introduced and did he<br>>> like it?
<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 5/15/06, *Conor Clifford* < <a href="mailto:Conor.Clifford@fineos.com">Conor.Clifford@fineos.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Conor.Clifford@fineos.com">Conor.Clifford@fineos.com
</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> I have tag rugby tonight - will be home around 8.30 - 9ish<br>>><br>>> If Leigh can indeed play late then cool!!<br>>><br>>> Tomorrow / Weds are ok for me too
<br>>><br>>> Thursday and Friday are out<br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> *From:* <a href="mailto:ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com">ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com</a><br>>> <mailto:
<a href="mailto:ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com">ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com</a>>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com">ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com">ddo-bounces@dspsrv.com
</a>>]*On Behalf Of *Mike Kelly<br>>> *Sent:* 15 May 2006 16:30<br>>> *To:* <a href="mailto:ddo@dspsrv.com">ddo@dspsrv.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ddo@dspsrv.com">ddo@dspsrv.com</a>>
<br>>> *Subject:* Re: [ddo] this week<br>>><br>>> Can someone with their number text Conor and el chupacabra<br>>> (Joev) for availability? (There's absolutely no rush, I just
<br>>> wanted to refer to Joev as el chupacabra, it seemed<br>>> appropriate. :) )<br>>><br>>> On 15/05/06, *Diarmuid Reidy* < <a href="mailto:diar@www.dspsrv.com">diar@www.dspsrv.com
</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:diar@www.dspsrv.com">diar@www.dspsrv.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>> tonight is good for me also...<br>>> now if the rest of the motley crew can indicate availability
<br>>> we're<br>>> sorted.<br>>><br>>> On 15/5/2006, "Mike Kelly" < <a href="mailto:mike.j.kelly@gmail.com">mike.j.kelly@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:
<a href="mailto:mike.j.kelly@gmail.com">mike.j.kelly@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> >Yay! Leigh!<br>>> ><br>>> >I can do tonight, wed and thurs, I'd prefer tonight (I needz
<br>>> my fix!!!1!) :)<br>>> ><br>>> >On 15/05/06, Leigh Murphy < <a href="mailto:murphy.leigh@gmail.com">murphy.leigh@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:murphy.leigh@gmail.com">
murphy.leigh@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>> >><br>>> >> Hi guys, I can't make tomorrow but I can do tonight or any<br>>> other night.<br>>> >> And I'm off so, no probs playing late.
<br>>> >><br>>> >> Leigh<br>>> >><br>>> >> --<br>>> >> Leigh Murphy,<br>>> >> H�jmarken 13, Gevninge,
<br>>><br>>> >> 4000 Roskilde,<br>>> >> Danmark.<br>>> >> (H) + 45 46 36 02 20 (M) + 45 50 59 80 25<br>>> >><br>>> >> 4 Main st.,
<br>>> >> Newmarket-on-Fergus,<br>>> >> Co. Clare Ireland.<br>>> >> (H) + 353 61 368316<br>>> >><br>>> >> photos <a href="http://www.dspsrv.com/leigh">
www.dspsrv.com/leigh</a> <<a href="http://www.dspsrv.com/leigh">http://www.dspsrv.com/leigh</a>><br>>> >> Skype: LeighSter<br>>> >><br>>> >> _______________________________________________
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