[ddo] Tonight?

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Sorry I had to bail last night fellas. Rory was not a happy babie at all,
and in fact a nights sleep went out the window as well!

What night will be good next week for you guys, so I can try to book it up
in advance.

B.



> Wow, seems like I missed a real doozy of a session. Conor, sorry to hear
> you're leaving but I can understand your frustrations and ours. I haven't
> been as available as before guys, sorry, Exams, sick family, sick me, but
> I
> am looking forward to the new year.
> I think we've all lost sight of the main idea behind this arrangement.
> Initially we planned to play as if it was a PNP night, with the same
> dedication and ground rules.
> It did go a tad pear shaped when the people who could play more, did and a
> lot at that. I still treat it as a PNP thing, I love the sessions where we
> do it slow (oh baby), and I couldn't give a rats ass about the XP or Rep,
> besides them being a necessary evil to advance.
> I don't want to log in and feel like it's a job, which is why I quit WoW,
> I
> don't like to grind.
> It seems we all want different things so, cool, lets stay in touch.
> Unless Sus, our friend who has promised to visit this week sometime
> depending on her schedule visits this evening, I can play tonight.
> A cool trap dungeon eh? :-)) Well, I did build a trap monkey in the
> blissful
> ignorance that that would be important for the group.
>
> Leigh.
>
>
>
> On 1/3/07, Mike Kelly <mike.j.kelly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 02/01/07, Cliffy <cliffy at iol.ie> wrote:
>> >
>> > Explanation is fair enough.
>> >
>> > I was absolutely ragin' to my core last night, and as far as I was/am
>> > concerned there is no point in me playing this game with ye till ye
>> get
>> > to
>> > lvl 11 or 12. Because no matter what I've done or tried to do in the
>> > last
>> > few months I have constantly been in the wrong - and thats really
>> great
>> > fun
>> > to put up with night after night after night.
>> >
>> > I have had to defend myself repeatedly from all kind of accusations
>> over
>> > the
>> > last few months and the large number of accusations in a row last
>> night
>> > was
>> > just too much. Way too much.
>>
>>
>> Wow, good to know that I wasn't the only one pissed off after last
>> night.
>> Oh, and for the record, we moaned and complained about you racing off
>> (actually I think that I gritted my teeth more than anything else, both
>> myself and Diarm were pretty much silent), we didn't really accuse you
>> of
>> anything. But hey, while you have the tar and feathers out why not give
>> everyone a good coating?
>>
>>
>> Last night for example (fact from my perspective):
>> > - When I logged on ye were trying to get XP, getting further ahead of
>> > Leigh,
>> > Brian and I.
>>
>> - When I asked ye about it ye weren't trying to get xp, you were trying
>> to
>> >
>> > get rep.
>>
>>
>> I personally was trying to get Kundarak rep but and complete some of the
>> level 4-6 quests we've missed on the way up. I was aware of and grateful
>> for
>> the fact that you also get XP when you rep grind, 1 or 2k here and there
>> with the quests we were doing (with the bonuses for completing things
>> the
>> first time on hard and elite and our -20% to -40% for level difference).
>> It's not like we were seeking out the high XP quests. I do want to
>> advance
>> my character, I'll be only too happy to play alts and help Leigh catch
>> up
>> (my 4th level cleric seems likely) but I do want to advance my main too.
>> You
>> said something like "Sashkia needs that quest, I'll bring her if you
>> don't
>> mind the XP?", I'm paraphrasing there. We said sure, I didn't
>> particularly
>> mind, I'd have preferred Aglaranna but hey, a level 12 cleric can always
>> come in handy and I know that I'd much prefer to be rep grinding with my
>> main rather than an alt so all in all it's no big deal.
>>
>> As for this being the ultimate evil or something I'd like to point out
>> that in the past we have all both grinded rep and done new content when
>> people were off, I remember doing so on a number of occasions when other
>> people couldn't play and the few times that I couldn't make it everyone
>> else
>> has played on without me, that's why we keep coming across quests that
>> other's have done but I haven't, or Diarm hasn't or Joe or Leigh or
>> Brian
>> and no doubt there are quests that we have done but you haven't and
>> quests
>> that you have done but we haven't. When you play through a dungeon you
>> usually get XP, regardless of whether it's the first time through to
>> enjoy
>> new content or your second or third time for rep.
>>
>> You seem to be implying that we were somehow sneakily gaining XP while
>> Brian and Leighs backs were turned, we weren't and I resent the
>> implication.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > - So I came on with Sashkia to make getting rep for ye easier/quicker
>> > (and
>> > also because I also need house K rep with Sashkia). We did an instance
>> > I've
>> > never done with any character.
>>
>>
>> And that is the problem in a nutshell Conor: we don't want to do it
>> easier/quicker we want to enjoy the dungeons, at a slower pace, using
>> something approaching tactics, particularly new content! At least I do
>> and I
>> suspect others do to. That dungeon "Taming the Flames" looked absolutely
>> awesome but the whole thing was a blur to me because most of the time I
>> was
>> running to try keep up with you as you raced off banishing elementals
>> left
>> and right. On several occasions I checked the large map (to see where
>> you'd
>> gone to, you must have looted Mercurys boots or something because you're
>> like a bloody greased cheetah somehow) and you were miles away, it
>> wasn't
>> fun, far from it. Particularly in a multi layer dungeon like that. That,
>> I
>> believe, is where Joes comment about it being no fun trailing after
>> Sashkia
>> came from. Or by saying that I don't enjoy your style of play am I
>> accusing
>> and victimising you again? This is very much a two way street, you feel
>> we're attacking you (and to be fair we are critical of you as we have
>> been
>> of Diarm and Brian) but you seem to see yourself as completely blameless
>> in
>> all this. You aren't. Have you considered that maybe, just maybe we have
>> a
>> teensy point? That maybe you do tend to hare off trailing the rest of us
>> behind you? Or is it more likely that we're all just against you?
>>
>>
>> - Then I was going to be the reason one of ye called it a night cos ye
>> > weren't getting anything "out" of the night. Rather than "ask" me to
>> > switch
>> > to Aglaranna or Tryxia I got the "well with you playing Sashkia I
>> might
>> > as
>> > well log for the night" treatment. Mike to be fair asked "are you
>> going
>> > to
>> > bring on Aglaranna?", when I asked why I got the "I'm logging off if
>> you
>> >
>> > don't" comment.
>>
>>
>> Yep, I did, but just to make it clear the order of events was I asked if
>> you were going to bring on Aglaranna and *then* the comment was made
>> (and
>> not by me). I asked mainly because I didn't think I could face another
>> dungeon chasing after Sashkia while she blitzed low level (to her)
>> creatures. Think about it, how much fun is it to be run through
>> Deadmines by
>> a level 60? The XP thing was a (I thought) transparent ruse, a reason to
>> get
>> rid of Sashkia because I wanted to actually do something and leave a
>> quest
>> with a sense of achievement, not one of bewilderment wondering where we
>> went
>> and why. In short I want to enjoy the experience, I was frustrated as
>> hell
>> at that time and was fighting to keep it out of my voice. Again Conor
>> while
>> we may be snappish with you, you could stand to consider us and how your
>> actions affect our enjoyment as much as you want us to consider your
>> enjoyment.
>>
>>
>> - So then ye decided that ye were actually trying to get XP, so I logged
>> > on
>> > with Aglaranna. We did another instance I've never done with any
>> > character.
>> > - then I was ruining new content on Diarm by charaging off (despite
>> > doing
>> > the quest for the first time myself).
>>
>>
>> Again, we were running for Rep, but as I've said, XP is good too.
>>
>> You were ruining new content by charging off on me too, it kinda kills
>> the
>> atmosphere when you're just legging it off the entire time just running
>> into
>> the middle of groups of mobs that we could be taking a lot more cleverly
>> and
>> cleanly, something you've berated us for at length in the past. Also, as
>> you
>> well know, and have told us on numerous occasions, it's a royal pain in
>> the
>> ass to be trying to heal someone when they're running away from you, it
>> wastes spell points and wand charges. Or is it OK for you to do it but
>> not
>> OK for us?
>>
>>
>> - then I was playing an uber level 7 character with uber stuff and
>> somehow
>> > that was ruining things too.
>>
>>
>> Not for me.
>>
>>
>> For the record Ag was funded by Sashkia at 2nd and 4th levels and has
>> been
>> >
>> > self sufficient ever since. I'd be reasonably sure that Odile probably
>> > has
>> > better stuff that Aglaranna - Diarm can you beat a +3 weapon and +3
>> > plate,
>> > and a +4 shield?
>> >
>> > I fully expect I ruined the other quest that you did after I left too,
>> > somehow.....
>>
>>
>> Nope, for the next quest, we stuck together and picked them off,
>> slaughtering them easily, it worked very well and was a load of fun,
>> loads
>> of traps too, they weren't so much fun but were really devious, some of
>> the
>> best I've seen in the game. Recommended for rogues *nudge Leigh*
>> although I
>> think Leigh, Diarm, Brian, yourself and I have already did Redwillow
>> Ruins,
>> Joe hadn't done it.
>>
>> When Diarm or Brian rush off into battle its fine "cos he's playing a
>> > Chaotic dwarf" or a Paladin smiting evil. when my fighter does the
>> same
>> > I'm
>> > ruining content and playing an unbalanced overpowered character.
>> > And whats even more annoying is the fact that nobody can understand
>> (or
>> > even
>> > bother trying to before throwing me a bollicking) why I would want to
>> > play
>> > an overly agressive fighter after playing 19 levels of healbot .....
>>
>>
>> On a point of pedantry (my favourite type :) ), Diarm is playing a NG
>> fighter, and if you remember correctly you'll remember that he gets
>> fucked
>> out of it when he runs off too, that's why he rarely does anymore. If
>> the
>> lead character isn't Annabelle he sticks close to them, hes a fighter
>> it's
>> what he does. These days he keeps back when Leighs scouting, now me and
>> Joe
>> are invariably the last two in the "marching order" and let me tell you
>> that
>> you're nearly always further ahead than Diarm even if only by a few
>> steps.
>> Brian can also be a bit gung ho, but I remember a few choice words being
>> directed to him at times.
>>
>> I have no problem with you wanting to play a fighter that's why I didn't
>> say anything about it, we do understand and myself and Diarm were
>> wondering
>> how you still do it. But you chose your own actions Conor including
>> getting
>> Sashkia 3 levels ahead of the least experienced of us and rolling a
>> second
>> Cleric, they were all your ideas.
>>
>>
>> I simply cannot take the double standards any more, anything that I've
>> > done
>> > in the last few months, where any of ye have had two ways of looking
>> at
>> > a
>> > situation you've opted for the negative angle; every bloody time, both
>> > in
>> > game and on email. My favourite comment was the one of few weeks ago
>> "I
>> > know
>> > you didn't say or do anything - but I could get a feeling for where
>> you
>> > wanted us to go".
>>
>>
>> Funny but your first sentence will do well enough for my purposes too.
>> Funny how you've done exactly what you accuse us of, you harangue us for
>> not
>> playing smart then you streak off into group of mobs after group of mobs
>> allowing yourself to be surrounded and to hell with the rest of us. You
>> give
>> out to us for running off half dead after a fight but it's ok for you to
>> do
>> it. You give out to us but we can't say anything back to you. Talk about
>> double standards.
>>
>> I've noticed you're never at fault Conor. That must be nice. A couple of
>> "wait up Conors" and "stop racing offs" and all of sudden we're all on
>> your
>> case! Who exactly is always opting for the negative angle here?
>>
>> You seriously need a higher natural armour bonus. :)
>>
>>
>> When I was out of order and levelled Sashkia I tried to make up for it
>> by
>> > soloing my way to sixth level with another cleric, but now its ok for
>> > you
>> > guys to get further ahead than everyone else and force me into more
>> > soloing
>> > to get back on a par again - and you know what; I fully expected to
>> take
>> > an
>> > earful if I did do that.
>>
>>
>> So us doing some quests 2-4 levels below us for rep and (incidental, but
>> much appreciated) XP on a night where we arranged to play but not all of
>> us
>> made it is the same as you pugging and gaining 3 levels over the lowest
>> party member? There's one level between us and Leigh now, there's a
>> world of
>> difference between the two and if you tried then you could see that too.
>>
>>
>> Now I can understand the spoiling of fun that I seem to have caused, and
>> > the
>> > frustration that it caused.
>> > But to take the same shite in a dungeon I've never done, with a
>> > character a
>> > level below you, with my mic muted - that was just barmy. Everyone's
>> > just
>> > too ready to have a go at me, and that was the straw that broke the
>> > camels
>> > back.
>>
>>
>> I'm sure I've made this clear earlier but just in case, it's not that
>> you
>> were spoiling it by telling us what was coming up or where to stand or
>> whatever, you were spoiling it by fucking off on your own, you were
>> ruining
>> it (for me) with your continued Leeroy-esque tactics. Doing exactly the
>> same
>> things that you bailed us all out for a few months ago. Again, is it
>> alright
>> for you to do but not for us?
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping after about 3-4 levels of playing without me, you might be
>> less
>> >
>> > inclined to jump down my throat for just being at the other end of a
>> > modem
>> > trying to play a computer game. I still think its great fun playing
>> with
>> > you
>> > guys, but I'm not taking this rubbish. Its a game - when you guys stop
>> > having fun for a second you make me feel about two feet tall, and you
>> > threaten to log off, go to bed, quit the game (I've heard it all). You
>> > guys
>> > have all made this stop being fun for me, but I don't see the point in
>> > making you all feel like crap more than once.
>>
>>
>> Conor, I do enjoy playing the game with you too but not so much lately.
>> Hopefully, some day you might decide to look at what and how you're
>> playing
>> and try to see how you might be stripping the enjoyment for us. I for
>> one
>> doubt that I have ever made you feel "two feet tall" and I bet that
>> you'd be
>> hard put to find an example for me, however maybe we all need to be a
>> bit
>> more considerate and thoughtful. BTW the key there is "we all need".
>>
>> I hated the way we went through the Taming the Flames quest, and I mean
>> I
>> truly, fucking *hated* it but before now I would have held back in case
>> I
>> offended you. Frankly, I won't put take this crap anymore either. I
>> think
>> there's a way we can all enjoy this game together, but you'll have to be
>> willing to admit and accept that although we can be critical we're not
>> out
>> to get you and look into the possibility that maybe there are things you
>> should change too.
>>
>>
>> Now I know it's hard to tell from that, Conor, but I genuinely have
>> nothing but love for you (man). It's just that it's no fun when you play
>> the
>> way you did last night.
>>
>> You can choose to be offended or angry by what I've written here but be
>> aware that you're making a choice in doing so and before you do remember
>> that what I've said is no worse that anything you've levelled at me in
>> your
>> email and mine wasn't intended in a "oh yeah? Well screw you too!" way.
>> It
>> wasn't easy for me to say and isn't intended to make you feel angrier or
>> worse, sometimes I just have to get things off my chest too. Especially
>> these nipple clamps. ;)
>>
>> Anyway, I've spent far too much time on this and I have to go to bed. NN
>> all.
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>>
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